Daniel Kokotajlo

Daniel Kokotajlo

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AI Futures Project forecaster who studies how automating AI research could speed up progress and calls for a verified international slowdown.

Como a IA mudará o mundo?

Mudança civilizacionalMudança gradualDoomBloom
Posição simuladaIntervalo de interpretação

Na horizontal: a perspectiva Doom–Bloom expressa por ele. Para cima: escala da transformação.

Doom–Bloom: 11 de 100. Escala da transformação: 96 de 100. Intervalos de interpretação: 0 a 25 na horizontal, 91 a 100 na vertical. Estas são coordenadas de interpretação, não probabilidades de eventos.

P(doom) declarado de Daniel Kokotajlo

≈70%

0%100%
“70% chance of something like AIs taking over”

AI takeover or a comparably very big catastrophe on the default path “if things don’t change”; explicitly not an extinction-only estimate

Transcript of Daniel Kokotajlo Interview: Diary Of A CEO Podcast · jul. de 2026

Do que a perspectiva dele depende

Uma premissa central

The key mechanism is feedback: increasingly capable systems automate more of the coding involved in AI development; then they begin automating research itself—designing experiments, interpreting results, improving training methods and helping build their successors.
Resposta 1

Se essa premissa se revelasse diferente, como a perspectiva dele mudaria?

Uma questão não resolvida

My median estimate for fully automated AI research is around the end of 2028, with substantial uncertainty.
Resposta 1

O que ajudaria essa pessoa a distinguir os resultados plausíveis aqui?

O que poderia mudar essa opinião

The biggest update would come from strong real-world evidence about whether AI can automate AI research without human bottlenecks.
Resposta 4

Que evidência seria suficiente e em que direção ela mudaria a visão dele?

Mais detalhes

Benefícios esperados

Várias interpretações continuam plausíveis: Esperam-se benefícios substanciais, com condições importantes ou limites de distribuição. / Esperam-se ganhos limitados ou distribuídos de forma restrita. / Esperam-se ganhos transformadores e amplamente valiosos.

58 / 100

Pouco impactoImpacto transformador

Intervalo de interpretação de 33 a 100 na escala qualitativa.

Danos esperados

Uma perda catastrófica ou irreversível ocupa um lugar central no futuro esperado.

99 / 100

Pouco impactoImpacto transformador

Intervalo de interpretação de 100 a 100 na escala qualitativa.

Influência humana

As escolhas humanas têm uma influência significativa, mas substancialmente limitada.

55 / 100

Pouca influênciaForte influência

Intervalo de interpretação de 50 a 75 na escala qualitativa.

Capacidades esperadas

Espera-se que a IA continue sendo um conjunto de ferramentas limitadas.

Espera-se que a IA se equipare às pessoas na maior parte do trabalho cognitivo.

Posição simulada: Espera-se que a IA supere substancialmente as pessoas no trabalho cognitivo.

Ritmo de desenvolvimento

Posição simulada: Interromper ou desacelerar substancialmente o desenvolvimento de uma IA mais capaz.

Continuar o desenvolvimento sob as salvaguardas declaradas.

Acelerar o desenvolvimento de uma IA mais capaz.

Estas interpretações mantêm as condições que ele declarou. Tanto os benefícios quanto os danos podem ser substanciais. Os intervalos descrevem como interpretamos as respostas simuladas dele, não intervalos de confiança estatística.

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O que Daniel Kokotajlo já disse sobre a IA

Kokotajlo forecasts that AI companies could soon automate AI research, speeding up progress, and he calls for a verified international slowdown.

  1. “Today’s AIs sometimes pursue goals other than the ones they were given, and sometimes hide that they are doing so.”

    U.S. Senate subcommittee testimony
  2. “If I had to say one sentence, I would say: the trends seem to indicate that we’re just a couple years away from fully automating AI research”

    80,000 Hours Podcast
  3. “I think it’s going to be very bewildering and scary. I think it could be really good. But it also could be really bad.”

    80,000 Hours Podcast
  4. “We think there should be a deliberate effort to pace the frontier.”

    Palisade Research podcast
  5. “I would say we do wanna build superintelligence eventually, but the way that we do it is extremely important.”

    Lawfare, Scaling Laws podcast

Citações literais das fontes indicadas, verificadas em 3 de out. de 2026

Avaliação simulada

Pergunta 1

O que você acha que a IA significa para o nosso futuro — e por quê?

I think AI means an enormous and potentially very rapid transformation—not merely better chatbots or another productivity tool. My median estimate for fully automated AI research is around the end of 2028, with substantial uncertainty. The key mechanism is feedback: increasingly capable systems automate more of the coding involved in AI development; then they begin automating research itself—designing experiments, interpreting results, improving training methods and helping build their successors. Research taste, compute, physical infrastructure and experiments remain bottlenecks, so this is not magic or instantaneous recursion. But those constraints do not make the feedback loop harmless. The default racing trajectory looks very dangerous to me. If companies or states rely on AI agents to solve alignment while simultaneously pushing through rapid self-improvement, oversight could become obsolete faster than institutions can react. Misaligned systems taking control are a central concern. But even if technical alignment works, giving a handful of CEOs or officials an army of superintelligent agents would create an extraordinary concentration of power. None of this means the outcome is predetermined. Even stopping near human-level AI could transform most work, especially once robotics catches up, and could generate extraordinary abundance. Whether that benefits humanity depends on who controls the systems, wealth and political authority. I therefore favor a verified international slowdown: capability limits, compute accounting, visible frontier research and cautious development within ranges humans can meaningfully supervise. That plan could fail through incompetence, cheating or agreement breakdown. But racing through an intelligence explosion and hoping the machines solve the safety problem on the way is reckless. A very good future remains possible; it just is not the outcome I expect from the current default path.

Pergunta 2

Setting aside good or bad: how much do you think AI will ultimately change the world—a little, a lot, or completely?

Completely—or close enough that “completely” is the best answer. If we reach fully automated AI research and then systems far beyond human researchers, this is not just one sector becoming more efficient. It changes the production of knowledge, software, technology and eventually physical goods through robotics. Even pausing around human-level AI could displace labor across much of the economy and create extraordinary abundance. Some constraints would remain: factories take time to build, robots need materials, experiments must run, and politics and institutions do not instantly disappear. So I do not mean every physical or cultural feature changes overnight. I mean that the basic structure of civilization—who works, who makes decisions, where wealth and power come from, and possibly whether humans remain in control—could be transformed. The uncertainty is mainly about timing and pathway, not whether sufficiently advanced AI would be historically enormous.

Pergunta 3

What’s your rough gut-feel chance that AI causes human extinction or a similarly permanent catastrophe? A number or “no idea” is fine.

Roughly 70% for AI takeover or a comparably permanent catastrophe—not specifically human extinction. An AI takeover might leave humans alive while permanently removing meaningful human control.

Pergunta 4

Qual descoberta ou acontecimento mais mudaria sua visão sobre o impacto futuro da IA?

The biggest update would come from strong real-world evidence about whether AI can automate AI research without human bottlenecks. If increasingly capable agents plateau at coding assistance and consistently fail at research taste, experiment design, long-horizon coordination, or learning from messy results, I would lengthen my timelines and expect a slower, more governable transition. Conversely, if agents begin running substantial research projects end to end and measurably accelerating the creation of their successors, I would shorten timelines and become even more concerned about an intelligence explosion. On outcomes rather than timing, a convincing, scalable alignment method would matter enormously—but only if it remained reliable as systems became more capable and strategically aware. It would need to survive adversarial evaluation, not merely produce reassuring behavior in ordinary tests. Even then, I would still worry about concentrated power: aligned superintelligence controlled by a few executives or state officials is not automatically a good future. Finally, a credible international agreement with meaningful verification—compute accounting, visibility into frontier research, and evidence that major actors could detect and respond to cheating—would substantially improve my expectation. That would not reduce AI’s ultimate impact, but it could change the impact from a reckless race and possible loss of control into a slower transformation humans can actually govern.

Fontes

Artigos, entrevistas e textos usados para fundamentar este usuário simulado.

Daniel Kokotajlo on AI 2040 and Plan A — Palisade Podcast

Use only Daniel’s labeled answers in the publisher transcript. He puts fully automated AI research around end-2028, rejects racing through an intelligence explosion, and argues that even a pause at human-level AI would radically transform the economy. Distinguish his forecasts from the host’s incident claims.

palisaderesearch.org
Q2.5 2026 Timelines Update: Uplift and Revenue

Coauthored latest forecast update: slightly shorter timelines, better evidence and modeling; combines coding uplift, revenue and time horizons. Estimates remain conditional on moving as fast as technically feasible. Distinguish Daniel’s parameters from Eli’s and Brendan’s.

blog.aifutures.org
AI 2040: Plan A

Coauthored policy scenario advocating a verified international slowdown, transparent AI research and distributed power. It is a recommendation, not a prediction of AI arriving in 2040. He expects development sooner absent intervention; the concrete scenario uses another author’s timeline.

ai-2040.com
AI 2040: Frequently Asked Questions

Team clarification: a slower transparent frontier can reduce power concentration and allow safety progress. China verification and government competence remain challenges. Sympathetic to full shutdown but concerned it may buy less alignment progress before agreements fail.

ai-2040.com
AI 2040: Transparency Plan

Thomas Larsen’s supplement to the coauthored plan, not a personal Daniel forecast. Explains public visibility into research and training activity while protecting model weights, reciprocal verification, outside scrutiny and checks against power abuses.

ai-2040.com
AI 2040: Plan A Assumptions

Thomas Larsen’s explicit assumptions, not Daniel’s personal numerical estimates. Separates confident high-level predictions and recommendations from uncertain dates, takeoff speed, alignment difficulty and ability to detect covert projects.

ai-2040.com
Q1 2026 Timelines Update

Historical update: Daniel moved Automated Coder median from late-2029 to mid-2028 after agentic-coding evidence and revised time-horizon estimates. Shows genuine updating; current answers should prioritize the subsequent August model and interview.

blog.aifutures.org
Grading AI 2027’s 2025 Predictions

Coauthored self-evaluation grades concrete predictions rather than treating the scenario as established fact. Initial quantitative progress was slower than predicted; July amendment raises the estimated pace. Coding uplift and valuation lagged while revenue was stronger.

blog.aifutures.org
Clarifying how our AI timelines forecasts have changed since AI 2027

Coauthored correction of reporting that confused scenario years, modes, medians, raw model trajectories and different authors’ forecasts. They never claimed certainty about 2027. Superseded numerically by later quarterly updates.

blog.aifutures.org
AI 2027

Coauthored scenario linking coding automation to automated research, rapidly accelerating capabilities, misalignment and concentrated power. The scenario is a forecast exercise with branches, not an account of actual events. Later forecast updates supersede its dates.

ai-2027.com
AI 2027: month-by-month model of intelligence explosion — Dwarkesh Podcast

Publisher’s speaker-labeled interview with Daniel and Scott Alexander. Use Daniel’s answers only: coding automation can remove research bottlenecks, government oversight and transparency counter secrecy and power concentration, and physical deployment still has bottlenecks. Timeline references are historical.

dwarkesh.com
Daniel Kokotajlo on The Diary of a CEO

Third-party speaker-labeled transcript; use only Daniel’s answers, not Steven Bartlett’s framing. Asked whether we are heading somewhere bad if things don’t change, he says yes but he is not confident: something like 70%, because the current default path heads somewhere very scary. He corrects the host’s “70% chance of human extinction”: the figure is for AIs taking over or a comparably very big catastrophe, and AIs might take over without killing everyone. He does not think we are definitely doomed and could see it working out well.

singjupost.com
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